Voices from the Edge
About the program …
Community dialogue is important. At 8am every Thursday Voices from the Edge lends a KBOO microphone to informed guests you might not hear anywhere else. With an hour to invest, the call-in format engages listeners in meaningful conversations about crucial issues like racial disparity, government accountability, environmental justice and politics on local, state and national levels. Join lively discussions about concerns that are important to you and our community. Together we’ll make Oregon and our nation a better place for a larger number of those living here.
About the host …
Jo Ann Hardesty is Principal Partner at Consult Hardesty. She serves as a subject matter expert on a myriad of issues and is available as a speaker, facilitator and campaign planner. A long-time voice for Portland's under-represented communities and a leader in the struggle against racial and economic injustice, Jo Ann was three times elected to the Oregon legislature and for many years Executive Director of Oregon Action. She’s been called on by the City of Portland to help re-write the City Charter and organizes those on the downside of power to pursue their interests from the local to the federal level. She is particularly committed to leadership development and in holding those in power accountable.
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Voices from the Edge: Open Mic
Voices from the Edge host Dave Mazza invited listeners to lead the conversation on issues they felt important. Among the topics discussed were the U.S.'s failure to support strong carbon reduction goals at the Copenhagen conference, the ongoing environmental threats of LNG terminals and pipelines proposed for the Oregon coast, and the importance of local activism.
- Artist: Dave Mazza
- Title: VFE 12-17-09
- Date: December 17
- Genre: Public Affairs
- Year: 2009
- Producer: Dave Mazza
- Length: 55:45 minutes (19.14 MB)
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Voices from the Edge: What's behind Oregon's domestic violence murders-suicides?
Fourteen Oregonians died last month in five murder-suicides and one attempted murder suicide. Why this sudden outbreak now of men using guns to murder their spouses, ex-spouses and themselves when domestic violence homicides in Oregon have been on the decline? In 1997, 22 domestic violence homicides took place in Multnomah County alone. In recent years, the state average has been eight murder-suicides a year. Is it the economic climate, a lack of social services, or deep-rooted cultural issues?
This week on Voices from the Edge, Jo Ann and Dave talk with Jennifer Warren, LCSW, a counselor with Portland's Men's Resource Center/Women's Counseling Center since 1998. She specializes in domestic violence intervention and recovery, and has worked extensively with men and women arrested for domestic violence. Join us in this discussion about what's behind domestic violence murder-suicides, how the problem is being addressed and what needs to be done to stop the violence.
The conversation doesn't end when the program does. You can join in additional discussion of the week's issue on our blog at kboo.fm/voicesfromtheedge (click on the "blog" tab). You'll find additional information, important links, comments from other listeners and commentary from Jo Ann and Dave. Have a question for our guests, but can't call in during the program? Post your questions on line so we can make them a part of the Voices discussion.
- Title: Voices from the Edge 12-10-09
- Date: 2009
- Genre: Public Affairs
- Year: 2009
- Producer: Dave Mazza
- Length: 56:00 minutes (44.86 MB)
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Voices from the Edge: The Portland Police Association
Jo Ann and Dave talked about the recent demonstration by the Portland Police Association, in which the association expressed a vote of no confidence in Chief Sizer and Police Commissioner Dan Saltzman following the latter's decision to suspend Officer Chris Humphreys for excessive use of force against a 12-year-old girl.
The protest by the police resulted in Saltzman reversing his decision and letting Humphreys return to desk duty while the investigation of his actions continues. The discussion was whether contract negotiations between the police association and the city should include more public participation, whether officers should be required to reside within the Portland city limits, and whether a new effort should be made to create an independent civilian police review board.
- Title: Voices from the Edge 12-3-09
- Date: 12-3-09
- Genre: Public Affairs
- Year: 2009
- Producer: Dave Mazza
- Length: 55:42 minutes (44.62 MB)
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Voices from the Edge on 11/19/09
Building new community journalism
Like their national counterparts, our local media is in a tailspin. The Oregonian is cutting more than 60 reporters from its newsroom. Television and radio news has been reduced to weather reports and traffic accidents. Developments on the internet hold promise, but right now is more opinion and little solid local reporting. How can our democratic institutions thrive if our citizens can't found out what is happening in their community.
This week on Voices from the Edge, Jo Ann and Dave talked with people who think the answer is for us to "make the media." Abraham Hyatt is former managing editor of the Oregon Business Journal and creator of Digital Journalism Portland. Cornelius Swart is publisher of The Sentinal and a member of the Portland Media Lab, a non-profit media thinktank. Hyatt, Swart and other concerned journalists are organizers of the WeMakeTheMedia Conference taking place November 21, where journalists and concerned citizens will take the first steps toward building a new kind of community journalism.
The conversation doesn't end when the program does. You can join in additional discussion of the week's issue on our blog at kboo.fm/voicesfromtheedge (click on the "blog" tab). You'll find additional information, important links, comments from other listeners and commentary from Jo Ann and Dave. Have a question for our guests, but can't call in during the program? Post your questions on line so we can make them a part of the Voices discussion.
- Length: 55:43 minutes (51.02 MB)
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Project Censored 2009-2010
Host Jo Ann Bowman speaks with Peter Phillips, co-editor of "Censored 2010: The Top 25 Censored Stories of 2009-2010." KBOO will be hosting a benefit for station the featuring Peter Phillips and Mickey Huff, co-editors. All proceeds except book sales will go to KBOO.
What: An Evening with Project Censored
When: 11/07/2009
Time: 5-7:30PM
Where: First Unitarian Church Main Sanctuary, 1211 SW Main St
- Length: 56:46 minutes (38.98 MB)
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Why aren't Portland police being held accountable?
The list of city residents who've become victims at the hands of the Portland police continues to grow, leading Oregonian columnist Anna Griffin to observe the news stories about these incidents "makes the Rose City's finest look like thugs with badges." In the meantime, Chief Rosie Sizer's finding on the death of James Chasse - and her failure to punish the offending officers - suggests police accountability remains little more than a joke in our city. Why can't Portland hold its police force accountable? Should the mayor take back the police commissioner duties from Commissioner Saltzman? Where's the city auditor's Independent Police Review division in all this?
Jo Ann and Dave talk with Jason Renaud of the Mental health Association of Portland. Renuad's organization and other community groups are calling for the voluntary resignations of officers Kyle Nice, Christopher Humphreys and Bret Burton for the roll they played in the death of James Chasse, a mentally ill Portland who died in police custody. Dave and Jo Ann also look at how current contract negotiations between the city and the Portland Police Association affect efforts to create more accountability within the police bureau.
The conversation doesn't end when the program does. You can join in additional discussion of the week's issue on our blog at kboo.fm/voicesfromtheedge (click on the "blog" tab). You'll find additional information, important links, comments from other listeners and commentary from Jo Ann and Dave. Have a question for our guests, but can't call in during the program? Post your questions on line so we can make them a part of the Voices discussion.
- Artist: Dave Mazza
- Title: Police Accountability: An Interview with Jason Renaud
- Album: Voices from the Edge
- Length: 57:13 minutes (45.83 MB)
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Poverty in Oregon: An Interview with Rachel Bristol
As the current economic crisis deepens, more Oregonians are joining the ranks of the poor. With resources stretched to the breaking point, the ability to meet basic human needs is becoming more difficult.
Dave Mazza talks with Rachel Bristol, executive director of the Oregon Food Bank, about poverty in our state and how her organization is working to not only feed the hungry but to advocate for longterm systemic change.
- Artist: Dave Mazza
- Title: Hunger in Oregon: Interview with Rachel Bristol
- Album: Voices from the Edge
- Length: 56:37 minutes (45.35 MB)
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Baucus health care plan or sham?
On September 14, Senator Max Baucus (D-MT) unveiled a long-awaited health care plan that he believes will extend coverage to uninsured Americans and secure the support of both major parties. So far, the 233 page bill has drawn sharp criticism from all sides. What does the Baucus bill actually propose and how will it affect insured and uninsured Americans?
Jo Ann and Dave look at the details of the bill, the implications for those most at risk under our current health care system, and what Baucus' efforts to win Republican support means for the effor to pass health care legislation this year.
The conversation doesn't end when the program does. You can join in additional discussion of the week's issue on our blog at kboo.fm/voicesfromtheedge (click on the "blog" tab). You'll find additional information, important links, comments from other listeners and commentary from Jo Ann and Dave. Have a question for our guests, but can't call in during the program? Post your questions on line so we can make them a part of the Voices discussion.
- Artist: Dave Mazza
- Title: Baucus Health Care Plan or Sham?
- Album: Voices from the Edge
- Length: 57:12 minutes (45.83 MB)
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Exonerated: Curtis Edward McCarty and the death penalty
Curtis Edward McCarty was convicted and sentenced to death twice for a 1982 murder in Oklahoma City. After repeated court battles and 21 years in prison - 19 on death row - McCarty was exonerated and released following a 2005 appeals court ruling based on new DNA evidence and findings of a "continued pattern of government misconduct." McCarty was the 124th person in the United States to be exonerated and released since 1973 after spending time on death row.
Jo Ann and Dave talk with McCarty about his experience and his struggle to win his freedom. Ron Steiner, an organizer with Oregonians for Alternatives to the Death Penalty, will be joining the conversation to talk about what his organization is doing to end this lethal response to violent crime. McCarty and Steiner will be guest speakers that evening at the screening of the award-winning film The Exonerated at Salem's Progressive Film Series.
The conversation doesn't end when the program does. You can join in additional discussion of the week's issue on our blog at kboo.fm/voicesfromtheedge (click on the "blog" tab). You'll find additional information, important links, comments from other listeners and commentary from Jo Ann and Dave. Have a question for our guests, but can't call in during the program? Post your questions on line so we can make them a part of the Voices discussion.
- Artist: Dave Mazza
- Title: Exonerated: Curtis Edward McCarty and the death penalty
- Album: Voices from the Edge
- Length: 56:12 minutes (45.03 MB)
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Making the case to recall Mayor Sam Adams
Volunteers with the campaign to recall Mayor Sam Adams have a little over a month left to collect the 32,183 valid signatures from Portland voters needed to force the Portland mayor to resign or face a special recall election. Campaign organizers have told the press it will be close but support is growing. The campaign - sparked by revelations by Adams that he had lied about his relationship with one of his interns - has brought together strange political bedfellows - from former Adams supporters to extreme conservatives - as well as made Portlanders reflect on how we should judge our elected officials.
Jo Ann and Dave talk with campaign organizer Jasun Wurster about the campaign's chances of success and who has joined the ranks of Portlanders who think the mayor must go. Do you think the mayor's actions warrant his removal? Does focusing on recalling the mayor prevent Portlanders from addressing bigger problems facing our city?
- Artist: Dave Mazza
- Title: Making the Case to Recall Mayor Sam Adams
- Album: Voices from the Edge
- Length: 58:38 minutes (46.97 MB)
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show of 12/8
I appreciate your show more than I can say...however I have some criticism. Your comments about 911 show that you have trusted the mainstream media and have not had the courage to look into documented facts since the event. I am not going to talk here about the mountain of evidence to the contrary, but as a source of so called "independent media" I am disappointed in your rote line of naivete'. Please try the documentary of architects and engineers as a starting place.
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VRTE-Greg Palast
From a friend in Vancouver Canada, thanks for all your good work joann and Dave.
I enjoyed the interview you had with Greg and spent time searching for more of his investigative journalism.
I am now retired and have had direct experience with pipeline inspection, specifically what is called "pipeline integrity".
Greg spoke of pipeline "pigs" that are inserted inside of a 'live' pipeline (product flowing inside) to detect discontinuities which may include cracks and/or corrosion etc. The "pig" is not sensitive enough to determine the discontinuity. The pig records information along its path and if it detects a discontinuity it records the position or location of the possible defect.
The areas in which the pig has detected a discontinuity is dug up and inspection crews report on the specfics of what they discover.
That information is communicated to the inspection company's client and it is the client to determine whether or not the discontinuity requires attention, such as replacement of a section of the pipeline.
The pig may indeed by programmed to distinguish between what the pipeline company determines are non-relevant discontinuities.
When I was working on existing pipeline inspections the client's engineers would have sections of a pipe that had some external corrosion (that we had quantified in terms of depth of the corrosion and remaining pipe wall thickness) removed and delivered to their lab where they conducted "burst tests". These tests are actually hydrostatic tests which produce high pressures in the pipe until the pipe bursts. From this information a pipeline company determines whether or not a discontinuity is relevant or not.
I would imagine that if the pig that Greg Palast was talking about in Alaska was indeed programmed to exclude discontinuities that pipeline engineers had determined through testing were non-relevant. As Greg pointed out, this practice does appear to be suspicious and probably he has a case in terms of how the pig's program can be tampered with.
Almost all of the pipeline leaks lately are due to pipelines that were fabricated and buried 30-50 years ago when knowledge of coatings, metals and soil science (cathodic anodic interactions) were not fully understood.
I am not sure if governing bodies have required pipeline companies to conduct their pig inspections on a more frequent basis. I do know that one can send a pig down a line and 6 months later a spill can occur. This may be due to rapid corrosion caused by a multiple of causes. Once coating fails on the external surface of a buried pipeline, moisture, soil chemicals and inherent electrical currents can accellerate corrosion causing a failure even in areas of the pipe that had no relevant discontinuities.
In Canada, and I believe in the US, our governments have slashed the direct public oversight component of regulation relying on "corporate responsibility". Most public oversight consists of reviewing corporate paperwork. The review usually does not consist of a full reading of that paperwork. If the public is to be assured of pipeline safety it must ask for more inspections and more government inspectors who oversee some of the "digs" to determine severity of pipeline discontinuities.
Again, thanks for your hard work!
Phil
Which Party To Blame
Joann & Dave,
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I enjoy your show, but you said this morning that it was the Republicans that got us into this mess. Both of you are too intelligent to give the Democratic party a pass on their equal responsibility in destroying our economy, in perpetuating a decade of war and the associated war crimes, torture, and erosion of the civil liberties of this nation. Both the Democrats and Republicans have fleeced, degraded, and tried their best to destroy the working class for the profit of their corporate benefactors. After all, wasn't it Clinton who signed the bill repealing Glass Steagall. Wasn't it under Clinton that Brooksley Born, his own Commodity Futures Trading Commission chair, was stripped of her power and credibility when she rightly warned of the pending doom associated with derivatives? Wasn't it Clinton that signed the bill allowing further consolidation of our media. In my opinion, one of your callers today struck on our only deliverance. We need to create a strong party of and for the people to compete with these two dominant parties, both of which are only working for the corporate elites. I would like to see a labor party - a party that is dedicated to enhancing the lives of anyone receiving a W-2. I would like to see liberal people of influence, like Michael Moore, Arianna Huffington, Bill Maher, Bill Moyers, Amy Goodman, Chris Hedges, Robert Scheer, and the like to join forces and implement this desperately needed option for working people. A strong workers' party is the only viable solution for this country. Until such time, I will vote for any party other than the dominant two, or I'll vote for an independent or I will write in Bernie Sanders, or either of you. But I will not reward the criminal class that has, and continues to destroy working class America with impunity.
Foreclosure Mills
I just wanted to post a link to an article about the foreclosure mills that make money off of the forsclosure mess. http://motherjones.com/politics/2010/07/david-stern-djsp-foreclosure-fannie-freddie?page=1
taxing "gross" income?
can you clarify?
don't the measures increase rates on taxable income, not gross income, as the first caller mentioned?
Still waiting for my apology from Joann
Dear Ms. Bowman,
I did not hear an apology for you making a blatant distortion of my comment. I do not appreciate being lied about and especially by a campaign which you obviously are supporting which hypocritically poses as the moral arbitrator of the Universe regarding truth telling.
Again, let me clarify:
First off, I did not say, as was falsely stated by you and your guest, that politicians have a right to lie. I stated that everyone has a right to lie about their love life. That is a vastly different point and I bitterly resent being lied about on this.
This distortion (lie) by your guest and you is sadly emblematic of the hyperbolic nature of this entire pesudo-moralistic campaign.
I will receive your apology before I ever again associate with you or this program.
Sinverely,
Will Ware
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Lying about lying on the Edge
I don't know how to get an email to the disc jockey.
Will again and please correct your slander of me and misstatement of my comment.
First off, I did not say, as was falsely stated by JoAnn and your caller, that politicians have a right to lie. I stated that everyone has a right to lie about their love life. That is a vastly different point and I bitterly resent being lied about on this.
This distortion (lie) by your guest and JoAnn is emblematic of the hyperbolic nature of this entire pesudo-moralistic campaign.
It is a fact that Republicans involved in this are using this as an organizing tool. It is a fact that this campaign is making common-cause with anti-progressive forces.
It is this campaign that is the divisive force in our community.
This signature campaign is the darling of the right wing. This campaign is the best thing that has happened to the Multnomah Co. Republican Party since Theodore Roosevelt.
If this is about negative campaigning- WHY IS THIS SUCH A THOROUGLY NEGATIVE CAMPGAIGN. IT REDUCES POLITICAL DIALOG TO THE LEVEL OF A GRAMMER SCHOOL PLAYGROUND.
Cops and Race
Very interesting program today (8/6/09). Here's a germane link to an article by Kevin Alexander Gray in The Progressive "Citizens have the right to talk back to the police":
http://www.progressive.org/mpgray080409.html
In my view, a well trained cop could have and should have defused the situation far short of arrest.
Too frequently, cops escalate situations, especially when dealing with people of color.
As Mr. Alexander sums up in the final sentence of his article: "We should never have to fear when we stand up for our rights." And that goes for people of all hues.
Citizens have the right to talk back ...
I agree, Peter. This article is germane: One outcome of Professor Gate’s arrest should be an understanding that “What lends legitimacy (to our legal system) is our belief that the police are dutiful servants of the people — not their arbitrary oppressors.”
The Declaration of Independence promptly asserts “… Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the consent of the governed.”
'Know Your Rights' training is imperative, as a 'check and balance' against unwarranted interference with the intent of the U.S. Constitution. An informed citizenry is a Public Good. Vigilance against abuse of power is actually a civic responsibility.
I know first-hand a tendency by Portland police to escalate situations that might be otherwise resolved. I have only an inkling of the mental pressures involved in policing, and but a dim suspicion as to the social handicaps that come with wielding weapons, spending so much time in the milieu of antisocial behavior, of having a community grant your uniformed subgroup status as The Enforcers. I would suspect such pressure, status and lethal equipment make it difficult to appreciate a role of Servant of the People.
Do you know what the common ground may be?
Law enforcement.
How can we change our dialogue so that a person of color, being thrown up against chain link fence – sometimes even without a pretext of wrongdoing – has standing when there is no probable cause that a crime is being committed?
By advocating that police actions adhere to Constitutional provisions for freedom from unwarranted search, to be secure in their possessions; would not this citizen also be involved in law enforcement?
One really ironic point I failed to make on the program is that, from the time of Chief Kroeker onward, it has likely been in the consciousness of Portland Police Bureau command that racial profiling actually inhibits criminal detection and prosecution. Simply the perception of police misconduct reduces the quality of public cooperation. One of the results of racial bias is that it is more difficult to secure leads and eventual witness testimony from a disenfranchised, victimized population of law-abiding citizens.
I suggest there will be a real reduction in crime (due to citizen cooperation) when and if policing is seen to be done lawfully. If it were a shared perception that people who oppose the immoral, unethical and illegal practice of racial profiling had merit as Constitutional law enforcers, I would think this a positive dynamic … and not just for people of color, but other negatively affected groups like the mentally ill, for whom self-advocacy is a supreme challenge.
Let us fuse training and dialogue. You mention the ‘well-trained cop.’ Perhaps ‘Know Your Rights’ training (and Oregon Action training includes de-escalation strategies) might dovetail with Portland Police Bureau training. What would be achieved if police training alerted officers that a segment of the population - fatigued by unconstitutional behavior - will be advocating for just and equitable treatment?
If that segment of the population included Police Commissioner Saltzman, Human Rights Commissioner Fritz, City Auditor Griffin-Valade and Mayor Adams, I think the Police union would find impetus to engage in negotiations for a means to weed out officers refusing to enforce the Constitution, state law, or bureau regulations.
To take up your point about police as public servants, the Auditor’s Independent Police Review Board is poised to actually adopt that frame of reference. Currently specializing in facts and figures, there is a component of their reporting primed and ready for public pressure to make this a prime frame of reference for assessing the Police Bureau’s functionality.
Perhaps better left for another blog, I just want you to know that civilian oversight of armed government activity is imperative as the nation pursues a War on Terror. If the City of Portland were to weigh in on fundamental human rights during the nation’s general expansion of police powers, it stands likely to do a Public Good that cannot now be calculated.
Environment: global warming
On this morning's (June 18) program Joann mentioned a man (I think she said "young" and "minority" )who is becomming active in environmental matters, I would like to talk with him about joining the planning and implementation of an event that is scheduled to take place on October 24th.
I am a member ot the Peace and Social Concerns Committee of the Multnomah Monthly Meeting of Friends (Quakers), and the organizer of a sub-group called "Global Coolers". We meet monthly and have taken the responsibility of informing the Meeting about global warming and involving them in efforts to lessen our individual and collective destructive impact on the planet.We have also hosted a couple of community events over the past several years.
Yesterday I learned that Bill McKibben, who is a leading activist in the environmental protection movement, is organizing a world-wide demonstration to take place on October 24: it is described on 350.org.
I want to make sure that Portland participates in this event.
I have not talked yet to other environmental activists about involvement (there may already be plans afoot) but I will do so in the next couple of days. In any case I will welcome all participants in the planning and execution of the event. My telephone number is 503-292-1817.
Thank you for your attention.
Peace, Jim
Measure 53
I was disturbed to hear this morning information that leads me to think I did not check out the ballot measures carefully enough. As an intelligent conservative, I find it both important and difficult to listen to KBOO and other left-of-center sources regularly, and the comments this morning made it clear that I should invest more energy into that effort.
On the other hand, I was a bit amused (and relieved of my nascent guilt) when I heard you adamantly insist that Measure 53 passed by a 76-24 margin because a day-old paper said so. It is possible that the Oregonian was that far off the mark - if so, I would assume that it was an early edition which showed very preliminary results. I went to three sources this morning of which two gave vote tallies. KATU.com indicates that as of 8am today the vote on 53 was YES 475,838 and NO 473,912 which is a margin of less than 2000 votes out of nearly 1 million. Rounded to the nearest percent, the vote is 50-50. KOIN.com had very similar (probably identical) numbers.
So I figure that if you let your personal opinions cloud such simple and easily ascertained facts, if you are so closed-minded that you will not double-check this when it is disputed, I need not concern myself with your judgment on the more complex issue of Measure 53 itself.
- Gordon
Very Disappointed Today
I’m a newer fan to KBOO. I listen every morning now and Voices From the Edge (VFE) is definitely one of my favorite morning program. I’m usually quite a fan but today I was really disappointed by Joann and the President of NAACP. A man called up and asked “Why aren’t all black men supporting Obama?” He was trying to be controversial and disruptive. He tossed a lure of disconcert to the radio hosts and what did they do . . . they bit. Joann dominated the conversation, provided a flippant/emotional/short rebuttal and pushed the guy off the air. Worse yet, the President of the NAACP said NOTHING! What on earth is a leader of the NAACP supposed to do but say something in these situations? That was the caller that VFE/NAACP should pray for, wish for, hell invite. HE WAS THE PERSON YOU ARE TRYING TO REACH AND YOU PUSHED HIM AWAY INSTEAD OF INVITING THE CONVERSATION AND PROMOTING GROWTH. We don’t make progress if those who disagree don’t discuss and debate. VFE too often discusses topics with people that share the same liberal view and all you are doing is reinforcing existing beliefs. It’s pointless if you want to effect change. You missed a tremendous opportunity today to change this guy and affect all those who share the same beliefs. He actually made a few valid points—Why wouldn’t black men support Obama? It would do wonders for equality. What has Obama ever done?—but with limited scope. You had a chance to discuss, inform, and enlighten those who wondered the same things. You said nothing constructive and you let ignorance prevail. Joann you should be more prepared the next time. The President of the NAACP should be mad as hell at herself. “Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.” “Let no man pull you low enough to hate him.” -MLKjr

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